Made My Vera Stable using Home Assistant (This is AWESOME!)

On VeraSecure unit #2. Started experiencing issues so I took a different route. I installed Home Assistant on a mini-PC that was just collecting dust. Right out of the box, something I had a LOT of problems doing was simple in Home Assistant --> running a scene where EITHER of 2 motion sensors is tripped AND the light level is below XYZ THEN turn on the light for 10 minutes. It worked in PLEG in Vera but took forever to do. In Home Assistant, being a new user, it took a couple of hours. (I had to learn the proper way to format YAML.)

Here are the things that I’ve configured to work in less than a week of tinkering:

[ul][li]automated complex scenes[/li]
[li]Google Home integration (IT’S FAST!)[/li]
[li]rtsp Cameras work! [/li][/ul]

Other wins: Since I removed all third party apps from the VeraSecure - it seems more responsive. (Or maybe it is Home Assistant that is more responsive??) The Home Assistant app LOADS IN SECONDS on our cell phones and tablets. (I repeat - LOADS IN SECONDS) And I’m sure this will all add to the stability of the VeraSecure since all it has to do is communicate with the Z-Wave devices and Home Assistant will handle the rest.

1 Week In with Home Assistant and now wish I had tried this 6 or 7 years ago!

gniknalu,

This sounds and looks very promising. If I read this correctly, Vera is essentially relegated to managing device communication on the z-wave network and automation logic is managed by Home Assistant. It also looks like there is an easy migration path - let Vera handle the automation that is currently working and enhance the home automation by using Home Assistant for more complex tasks and for integrating applications / devices that Vera doesn’t support. A quick look on the Home Assistant website and I see that HA support Sony’s Songpal (Audio Control API) and IFTTT - two options I have waited on Vera to support for years.

Look forward to hearing more about your journey.

[quote=“Bb98, post:2, topic:200273”]gniknalu,

This sounds and looks very promising. If I read this correctly, Vera is essentially relegated to managing device communication on the z-wave network and automation logic is managed by Home Assistant. It also looks like there is an easy migration path - let Vera handle the automation that is currently working and enhance the home automation by using Home Assistant for more complex tasks and for integrating applications / devices that Vera doesn’t support. A quick look on the Home Assistant website and I see that HA support Sony’s Songpal (Audio Control API) and IFTTT - two options I have waited on Vera to support for years.

Look forward to hearing more about your journey.[/quote]

Thank you for your comments.

Yes - that is accurate. I have offloaded ALL non-essential tasks from my VeraSecure and moved them to Home Assistant (except for notifications - I am still holding back on that part). Even with an exchanged/refurbished unit, the VeraSecure would still crash (or stall) daily. Since making the change, the VeraSecure only crashed once in the last 2 weeks. (The same “crash” my other unit experienced - see another post with the YouTube video.)

Since this original post I’ve further customized Home Assistant - making groups and adding additional pages. I’ve also enhanced the Google Assistant support to the point where other family members are using it with ease. The camera “page” I created on Home Assistant has integrated rtsp feeds from 3 different brands of cameras. Also started work on dealing with our home audio devices. They’re IN Home Assistant (because of auto-discovery) but haven’t taken advantage of them - thinking of using Google Assistant to say things like, “OK Google - play James Brown on the upstairs soundbar”.

I’ll post more as things progress.

A number of us are doing similar things with openLuup but Home Assistants adds a much broader integration so I actually have an instance of Home assistant do all the integration and have them report back into openLuup.
So I basically have openLuup do all the logic and some of the API device integration, Home Assistant do most of the API integrations, and Vera is just a device hub.
The advantage of openLuup is that you can move all of your logic, zwave devices and plugins directly from the vera. With Home Assistant to have another learning curve on the automation side. I am not quite sold yet on Homeassistant’s zwave device handling and representation with group and tabs. I still prefer openLuup/ALTUI.

Thank you for the idea of using openLuup! I’ve heard of it but never give it a glance.

This sounds really interesting. What about the security stuff? Can I control Home/Away/Vacation/Night mode for Vera Secure from HA?

If you run openLuup, it is completely transparent. From Home Assistant you still can do it. Just a matter of writing some code.

Everything on my Vera works fine in Home Assistant. In fact I started using home assistant to handle my home vs. away. It works with my locks and my home security system as well.

I looked at openLuup and decided it would require too much effort whereas with the vera integration in home assistant, I was up and running in minutes

I can vouch for HA as well, my Vera is now just a ZWAVE hub, so much better and I finally have a good use for my R_Pi which was just lying in a drawer.

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I went a step further and bought a $45 Aeotec Z-Wave Stick and plugged it into the back of my 10 year old Ubuntu workstation. The only thing running on Vera at this point are my Nest devices (because I can’t move them).

The learning curve on HA is pretty high, but once you get the hang of it, there is almost nothing that cannot be done. It even directly supports my iAqualink system. To make that work in Vera, I was going to have to buy a Nautilus and connect it to the Jandy. With HA, direct support via the API.

Vera is a great idea and very user friendly, but after 2 years of constant device hangs, I cannot rely on it for security or anything beyond lighting control. I will check back in a year to see how things are going.

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